In this podcast Tom Uren and Patrick Gray talk about continued discussion about the creation of a Cyber Force. It’s a discussion that won’t go away and shows there is an underlying feeling that Cyber Command could do better.

They also discuss how Scattered Spider is like Hollywood and how TikTok’s report on influence campaigns will do nothing to convince people it is not a national security risk.

The Audio tag isn’t supported and neither is flash… You could always download the file and play locally.